| Q. | Will Derek Jeter be honored for having fewer hits than Harold Baines? | Related Search:
Baseball | | | Jeter, who reached the historic milestone in the third inning of his team's game against Baltimore on friday, joined a pantheon of Yankee greats that includes Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio, and Lou Gehrig—all of whom share the distinction of having fewer career hits than Baines, a one-time winner of the Silver Slugger Award.
Will Derek Jeter be honored for having fewer hits than Harold Baines?
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| Q. | Harold Baines and the Hall ? | Related Search:
Baseball | | | Just wondering here..but why is Harold Baines never mentioned in regards to the Hall of Fame. I remember him and while never one of the best, he was so consistent.
Did he piss someone off?
Every other major leaguer with 2800 hits is in the Hall or will be in the Hall except for Baines.
He is top 40 all time in Hits, RBIs, and Total Bases. He career was done before the "steroid era"..
I know he is not a first ballot guy, but I cant understand why he barely cracking 5% in terms of voting when others (ie McGwire) who are less deserving get way more votes.
Im not saying that Baines should be in, its just he is never mentioned and while he was never near the best in the game I think his contributions deserve more than 5% on the ballot.
| | A. | Chip is correct...no way Baines ever makes the HOF. Even when almost everyone in baseball is taking steroids now, the voters have not been impressed with his credentials. He did play until he was 42 years old, and thus compiled a lot of hits. But when you apply the Keltner test to him, he doesn't have a lot of positives:
1. Was he ever regarded as the best player in baseball? Did anybody, while he was active, ever suggest that he was the best player in baseball?
2. Was he the best player on his team?
3. Was he the best player in baseball at his position? Was he the best player in the league at his position?
4. Did he have an impact on a number of pennant races?
5. Was he a good enough player that he could continue to play regularly after passing his prime?
6. Is he the very best player in baseball history who is not in the Hall of Fame?
7. Are most players who have comparable career statistics in the Hall of Fame?
8. Do the player's numbers meet Hall of Fame standards?
9. Is there any evidence to suggest that the player was significantly better or worse than is suggested by his statistics?
10. Is he the best player at his position who is eligible for the Hall of Fame but not in?
11. How many MVP-type seasons did he have? Did he ever win an MVP award? If not, how many times was he close?
12. How many All-Star-type seasons did he have? How many All-Star games did he play in? Did most of the other players who played in this many go to the Hall of Fame?
13. If this man were the best player on his team, would it be likely that the team could win the pennant?
14. What impact did the player have on baseball history? Was he responsible for any rule changes? Did he introduce any new equipment? Did he change the game in any way?
15. Did the player uphold the standards of sportsmanship and character that the Hall of Fame, in its written guidelines, instructs us to consider?
You can run the answers to these questions yourself, but there are just not a lot of reasons out there to put Baines in. And there's certainly no outcry from the public that he should be in there, just from a few people who read a line of stats.
If you do in fact remember Baines, the evidence is that he doesn't belong in Cooperstown. Six all star games is OK but far from great, especially for a guy who played 22 seasons. Three of the top 4 players most similar to Baines are in the HOF, but all three of them (Tony Perez, Al Kaline and Billy Williams) were better.
You mentioned that every player with 2,800 hits is in the HOF (among players who are eligible). But that's not a reason to put Baines in there... Career hit leaders (top 40)
1.Pete Rose 4256B
2.Ty Cobb+ 4189L
3.Hank Aaron+ 3771R
4.Stan Musial+ 3630L
5.Tris Speaker+ 3514L
6.Carl Yastrzemski+ 3419L
7.Cap Anson+ 3418R
8.Honus Wagner+ 3415R
9.Paul Molitor+ 3319R
10.Eddie Collins+ 3315L
11.Willie Mays+ 3283R
12.Eddie Murray+ 3255B
13.Nap Lajoie+ 3242R
14.Cal Ripken+ 3184R
15.George Brett+ 3154L
16.Paul Waner+ 3152L
17.Robin Yount+ 3142R
18.Tony Gwynn+ 3141L
19.Dave Winfield+ 3110R
20.Craig Biggio 3060R
21.Rickey Henderson+ 3055R
22.Rod Carew+ 3053L
23.Lou Brock+ 3023L
24.Rafael Palmeiro 3020L
25.Wade Boggs+ 3010L
26.Al Kaline+ 3007R
27.Roberto Clemente+ 3000R
28.Sam Rice+ 2987L
29.Sam Crawford+ 2961L
30.Frank Robinson+ 2943R
31.Barry Bonds 2935L
32.Willie Keeler+ 2932L
33.Jake Beckley+ 2930L
Rogers Hornsby+ 2930R
35.Al Simmons+ 2927R
36.Zack Wheat+ 2884L
37.Frankie Frisch+ 2880B
38.Mel Ott+ 2876L
39.Babe Ruth+ 2873L
40.Harold Baines 2866L
You wanna tell me that Baines is as good as the guys that are ahead of him? You're putting Baines in a group with Babe Ruth, Mel Ott, Rogers Hornsby, Frank Robinson and others, and then want to say that "hey, they're all in the HOF, why not Baines??". Doesn't work that way.
Baines led the league in slugging percentage one time...that's the sum of his league-leading performances...wanna compare that to the other guys who had 2,800 hits? See what I mean?
Baines wasn't a HOFer on the best day of his life. He played a long time and was a good guy to have around, but he's not a HOFer. | | | |
| Q. | Do you think that Harold Baines has a good shot of getting into the Hall of Fame one day? I was just? | Related Search:
Baseball | | | looking at his stats, and they are very impressive to say the least. Yes, he did play more than half his career as a DH, but the DH is a position, since 1973, just like relief pitchers are getting into the Hall, i.e. Wilhelm, Gossage, Eck, Sutter and Fingers, Baines and Edgar Martinez will get into the Hall one day as well.
Baines played in 22 seasons from 1980-2001, please don't call him a compiler people, if so, Phil Neikro and certainly Gaylord Perry were compilers too. These are Baines' stats:
2,866 hits, 1,299 runs, 488 doubles, 49 triples, 384 hr's, 1,628 rbi's, .289 BA. Out of his 2,830 games played, he played 1,644 as a DH, and the other 1,200 as an Outfielder. If only he could've hung on for a few more years and get to 3,000 hits. But his HR and RBI totals are very impressive. I see Cooperstown calling to Harold in about 5-10 years from now, what do you think?
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| | A. | He's borderline- it it's gonna happen, it will be years from now. If he played a few more years.... | | | |
| Q. | Harold Baines played with five teams throughout his 22-season career, and his last 10 seasons? | Related Search:
Baseball | | | mainly as a designated Hitter. How many Gold Gloves did Baines win in his Career?
| | A. | None | | | |
| Q. | Harold Baines - Hall of Famer? Yes or No? 22 year career - 1980-2001, 2,866 career hits, 384 HR's,? | Related Search:
Baseball | | | 1,628 RBI's and .289 BA. Those are very good numbers, much better than Kirby Puckett or Ozzie Smith, and they got in. No one gives much love to Harold, why not? Those are some quality numbers. He could've gotten to 3,000 hits, but his playing time great diminished his last few seasons.
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| | A. | No. Very few great seasons. Sticking around for a long time is a real asset, but not one that earns the Hall by itself.
I once worked out how close Baines might have come to 3000 hits if he had complete 1981 and 1994-95 seasons. The numbers put him around 2950, which would have been so agonizingly close that he probably would have gotten another one-year contract somewhere just to finish the job. Just as well he didn't, because I really do not think him Hall class, and had he made the milestone, the arguments (for or against, whether he got in or not) would have been endless and increasingly desperate (think of any Rose "debate", nothing ever changes, just more and more electrons die for the meaningless cause).
Plus he's got "the DH thing" hanging over him.
Baines barely scraped by the 5% relegation limit on the 2007 writers vote, and I think he will fall below next time. | | | |
| Q. | Is Harold Baines a HOFer? | Related Search:
Baseball | | | 2800+ hits
350+ Homers
| | A. | He hasn't been voted in so far. | | | |
| Q. | Who is the greatest White Sock of all time? | Related Search:
Baseball | | | I asked the same question about the Tigers, so to be fair to their AL Central rivals, I'm asking about the White Sox now. Who's the greatest? Frank Thomas? Joe Jackson? Harold Baines?
| | A. | I'd have to go with Frank Thomas. There have been some greats like the guys you mentioned, along with others like Eddie Collins, but the Big Hurt was a monster and he still ranks top-15 in career OPS (although that stat is obviously unfair to a guy like Jackson who played in a much different power era). But Frank also leads the Sox in a number of quantitative categories, and I think he's one of the best players to play this game since I was born.
As for their best pitcher, that's a tougher one for me. It's tough to comapre, for example, Ed Walsh, Billy Pierce, and Jack McDowell because they pitched across such a huge expanse of time. The numbers tell me Walsh, but I don't know how much I trust them without context.
Good question. | | | |
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